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Attilio

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2019, 05:37:09 PM »



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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2019, 06:07:20 PM »
ασ'τους να χαρούν λιγάκι και αυτοί, τους έχουμε πονέσει πάρα πολλές φορές, για πάρα πολλά χρόνια...


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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2019, 06:23:02 PM »
One of the worst derbys I've seen us play in decades of watching this team. Congrats to PAOK on the title, it was the game of season for both teams and only one played like it.

Worst game I've seen from Torosidis. He was horrible and I actually thought he did pretty well all season, even better than Omar a lot of the times. These are the games our veteran-Greek-captain/legends should lift the team, not be the one of the worst on the field. Worst game of the season for Koutris too, PAOK had their way with him all game he wasn't stopping anything/did nothing going forward.

Cisse sucked, but he's been good. What has Vukovic done? The guy sucks. Try out Cisse-Meriah, can't be any worse.

Guilherme is our best player. Natcho starting was mistake, or at least in the position he was in. In hindsight maybe we can start him over Fortounis in the upcoming derbies seeing as he was once again a non-factor. Another big game, another useless Fortounis. He is too weak, too emotionless to be a captain or star player for any team. He's a great player, but never a leader. He needs better players around him, which we don't have.

If Podence could pass he'd be too good for Olympiakos. Unluckily for us, he can't pass at all and his decision making is one of the worst I've ever seen. Lazaro had his usual bad game. Our strikers are non-existent.

We couldn't string 3 passes together, were out muscled every time we had the ball, had 0 attack, 0 defence, and played with 0 passion. That sums up Martins work today.

Hopefully just how annoying Savvidis' son will be after this win will light a fire under Marinakis. First time in over 20 years we're losing the championship back to back and this time to a team that started off with negative points. 0 derby wins and the way we lost today is very embarrassing. We needed a striker this winter and we brought in a guy with 2 goals this past season who Martins thinks isn't good enough for the bench. Marinakis can't keep his foot off the pedal like he tends to do the past couple seasons.

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2019, 08:32:12 PM »
i wasn't able to watch the second half but did martins really say the game was lost in the 3rd minute. thts basically saying we have a bunch of pussies on this team.

i have to say paok has this nastiest from the owner to the manager to the players ... and you need that. this whole year it has seemed as if the title is life or death for them and it really hasn't for us. we turn up, we usually play nice football, but from top on down it seems they want it more, their owner, their manager, their players. Last yr we sucked and its "hopefully we win this year", while paok feels the title was taken from them and they need to make amends.

win against kiev, win the greek cup, the above remains fact and paok is going to deservingly  win the title despite being crap and getting railed by the vida's of the world and the BATE's because they have a better mentality when it comes to playing in Greece. this is an embarrassing loss and I just feel the players care even less than years past.
Agree with most of what you say except the bit about Baog having a better mentality in Greece. They’ve only won 2 titles.What mentality? The loser I’ve been hard done by mentality of 50 years?
Nevertheless ,our title hopes were dashed at the start of the season dropping points  needlessly. We were playing catch up and could not afford anymore slip ups.
Today BAOG looked more determined and stronger and won fair, in the first round however they should have copped 5 at Karaiskaki.
The difference with Kokkalis was he would sign players  to win titles, Marinakis signs players to sell them on for a large profit.
This needs to be balanced out.
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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2019, 09:30:43 PM »
Overall it seems liked paok has a faster team.  Players like toro and nachto and lazaros will get exposed against this team.  Kamara should have started.  Fortunis’ personality is not one of a outspoken leader and that is just how he is.  He did call down too easily a couple times today which is an ongoing issue with him. 

Martins should have started a bit more defensive in this game to quiet the crowd and to control the tempo. 

Our roster is not horrible but does need a few more pieces if we want to make the next step.  To ask for the title this year with this roster was a tall ask considering t he turnover.  I agree with the above points that if we knock out Kiev and finish in 2nd and win the cup that is a solid year considering the circumstances. 

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2019, 02:12:53 AM »
Once again a derby With no heart or passion from our club and this isn’t new in the past 2 years.

Why didn’t Camara start ?

What a complete joke and disgrace of a game.

Paok dominated us what a shame

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2019, 05:39:32 AM »
ΜΠΕΣ ΜΕΣΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑ ΠΡΟΕΔΡΕ!!!


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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2019, 01:32:04 PM »
Was too frustrated to post anything yesterday. I wish I could point to specific players that were the problems, but the team in general just played bad.

That first goal(although it was a lucky deflection) took the wind out of our sails immediately. Instead of rallying back and fighting to equalize, it looked like we just gave up.

The defense had one of their worst games of the season. It just goes to show how average Vukovic is. If Cisse is having an off game, we will be exposed badly. It's about time we try Cisse-Meriah. Meriah has looked good in the games he's played and can distribute out of the back. He cannot give us any worst displays than we've seen from Vukovic so far. Koutris and Torosidis both had bad games despite having positive seasons so far.

I had an issue with the midfield pairing when I saw Natxo/Guilherme. Natxo is a fantastic super sub for us, but does not excel as a starter. Camara is much more stable and covers a lot more ground. Although I would argue at this juncture Natxo has been the more effective creator of opportunities, his value is maximized when he comes in as a sub with tired defenses and splits them open. Starting Natxo instead of Camara is the biggest mistake Martins made going into the game. Guilherme did his job and actually did well, but he needs the playmaker next to him to actually make plays.

Lazaros has been ineffective in derby games for us this year. The last game he played this ineffectively, we found out he was injured. Not sure what it is with him. I'm not sure I understand why anyone is upset with Podence. He may have overdone a cross, or misplaced a pass. But he was our only energy going forward. Of all of the forward pieces, he was the only one that was mildly effective. Not to mention he has been one of our best creators during the season. What more can you ask of a player that gets forward and has to wait for the forward to get in the box or a midfielder to show in space. Much of the complaints about him are unwarranted because he is without a doubt the best winger we possess. Not to mention the most consistent.

Fortounis, another derby another lackluster performance. He is not a player that lifts the team. He is a great player and capable of great things but he is not a leader. He is not the type of player like Cambiasso, Ibagaza, or Dominguez that will rally a team. He's a footsoldier and should be treated as such.

The guerrero/hassan experiment should be over. Guerrero has only effective as a second striker. Only should play when we transition to a 4-4-2. Hassan is an average striker. Physical in the box with average technical ability. Soldano should have been the go to. Has looked more effective in the two games he has played than either of those two have looked all season.


The title is lost. Now we look to the kipello and progressing as far as we can in Europa League.


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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2019, 06:19:25 PM »
Cisse was pissed off cause towards the end of the game, the balls were "disappearing" with the assistance of everyone. Photographers, ball boys, other staff etc.

But at the end, Cisse put it all behind him...





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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2019, 06:41:54 PM »


Οι Πειραιώτες δεν πρόκειται να αφήσουν έτσι τα όσα έγιναν κατά την άφιξη της αποστολής στο γήπεδο της Τούμπας.

Από τον Ολυμπιακό δεν ασχολήθηκαν μετά το τέλος του αγώνα με όσα συνέβησαν στο γήπεδο της Τούμπας κατά την άφιξη της αποστολής και με πρωταγωνιστή τον Βαγγέλη Μαρινάκη. Όλα αυτά είχαν περάσει σε δεύτερη μοίρα για τους Πειραιώτες, αφού το αγωνιστικό κομμάτι ήταν αυτό που τους απασχολούσε περισσότερο απ’ όλα.

Από τον Ολυμπιακό από την πρώτη στιγμή κατήγγειλαν πως στον χώρο έξω από τα αποδυτήρια βρίσκονταν και οπαδοί και πως δεν εμποδίστηκε μόνο η είσοδος του Βαγγέλη Μαρινάκη, αλλά ολόκληρης της αποστολής.

Η αποστολή του ΠΑΟΚ είχε τύχει άψογης φιλοξενίας στο φαληρικό γήπεδο και κανείς δεν είχε αντιμετωπίσει κανένα πρόβλημα. Τότε ο Γιώργος Σαββίδης είχε μπει και στα αποδυτήρια χωρίς κανείς να τον ενοχλήσει. Στον χώρο έξω από τα αποδυτήρια της Τούμπας υπήρχε πλήθος κόσμου που προπηλάκισε τα μέλη της αποστολής και υπήρχαν άτομα τα οποία δεν έφεραν πάνω τους διαπιστεύσεις.

Από την πλευρά του ο Ολυμπιακός δεν έχει σκοπό να αφήσει έτσι τα όσα έγιναν κατά την άφιξη της αποστολής στο γήπεδο της Τούμπα. Οι Πειραιώτες έχουν ενημερώσει ήδη την ΕΛ.ΑΣ. για το περιστατικό που έλαβε χώρα έξω από τα αποδυτήρια. Μάλιστα από την πλευρά της ομάδας του Πειραιά αναμένεται να γίνουν μέχρι και μηνύσεις.

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2019, 06:58:29 PM »
Δηλαδή η Τσέλσι που έφαγε 6 χθές δεν είναι ομάδα..?
Ας Ηρεμήσουμε λίγο.
Καψούρα με 6 γράμματα..??
ΘΡΥΛΟΣ.

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Re: PAOK - Olympiacos | Superleague Round 20
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2019, 05:35:40 PM »
been away due to crazy hours of work and also to the insane amount of time my daughter got sick this winter.im calm now.broke a few glasses chez moi during paok match.fourtounis can not be the main guy.its official.either support him with generals and let him play his game with no pressure or get someone for him.onother derby where our foreigners didnt give a fuck.nice try ain bringing old farts to bring some oly pride back in but to little to late.do not fire manager.its time we let him learn of his mistakes and get better players.